saw these
ford must be testing these in foreign markets because of big oil still doesn't want economy cars for real world people on the market
and just the same wont allow other companies in
only thing i can think
anyways
Ford S-Max
http://www.mpgomatic.com/best_gas_mileage_van.html
Honda FR-V
http://www.mpgomatic.com/honda_fr-v_diesel.html