mathowie
May 21, 2011
8:23 PM

I'd also add if there's a feature you were wanting that isn't there or something you wished was changed, it'd work best if you held off for a couple weeks while we work through new site migration bugs first. (and there are a ton of new features on the way)

Log Book will only show 1 - 6 out of 6 fuel ups, when in reality, I have 7 fuel ups. I have to update to show 50 fuel ups just to get it to show 7 fuel ups. Log book fuel ups do not match total fuel ups without update.

Thanks,
Johnny

pb
May 21, 2011
8:51 PM

ToyoTacoma, if I visit your car page I see 7 fuel-ups in the log book. Do you see 7 if you reload the page?

Hey pb, I have a similar problem. Partial fill-ups are not being counted in terms of number of fuel-ups, but also in some cases not at all toward mileage.

Take a look at my page. It says now 13 fill-ups in the gas pump graphic, though there should be 18.

Now look at my March 2011 bar. It says my average for the entire month was 57.8 mpg. That number is correct if you only count the first two complete fill-ups of the month. Since I had a partial fill-up as my third fill-up, that and the next are not counted. If you add up all the miles and divide my gallons you get 59.0 mpg, not 57.8 like the site says.

The lifetime mileage is correct.

Thanks for all your work on the site!

Mike

For my customizable mini stats, [my total spent for all time] does not match up with [cost analysis total spent] above.

$1,514.70 Total Spent != $1,559.27 Total Spent

The reason is that the customizable mini stat failed to include my first fill up of 44.57

rockychocbill
May 21, 2011
9:44 PM

Hey guys. First off I'd like to say thanks for putting this site together and keeping it updated. I really like being able to track my fuel-ups this way. It "almost" makes filling up something to look forward to ;-)

As for the new look, I'd say I like it apart from maybe the teal coloring for the logo and the text. The Google ad is new too I think. Hey, you guys are entitled to make some money for your efforts. I'm glad you allow for the sidebar to collapse though ;-)

Keep up the great work!

errorik
May 21, 2011
9:47 PM

@ranger10 - Fixed.

@mikewithaprius - Looking at your report now.

Looks good guys, but

mini stats cannot count, Bella has 25 fill ups, the log book agrees with that, but mini stats says 24 :-(

i think the old design looked a 100% better. this design is just too....white. i still love the site, i just dont care for the new look all that much.

Absolute crap... Sorry but it looks chaotic and the old look was MUCH MUCH better....

Can we sort out the location. So that we can compare a same model car in the same city/area. That will be cool.

It's early and the caffiene may not be working yet...

I can't seem to delete a vehicle.

and

The "Define your car model better for the epa comparison" 404s.

(Hope that helps. It's early on the east coast)

Otherwise The site rocks.
Thanks

Great website overall and I like the mini stats but... after a fill up was just added I didnt see it on the activity bar, the new fill up did not show up under the recent fill up page, the notes section of the fill up page doesnt look great when you expand it (only a couple of words per line does not make sense).

Have to give the notes column more width. It was ideal before. Please give this serious consideration.

any options to turn the city percentage off? pointless in my circumstances.

errorik
May 22, 2011
7:10 AM

@udtrev - Total Fuel-ups mini stat corrected.

@ARDailey - Hmmm... removing a vehicle works fine for me (retiring too) - can you give me details on what is happening for you. Also, EPA items should be working for you now.

@wilburdude - Recent activity has a short caching period that would make it not update right away. Also, I believe it might also filter out your own activity... it says "other Fuelly users".

@wilburdude / @kevm14 - As of current, for the mini log book to support paging and sorting the plug we are using can not have the notes spreading to other columns. We are considering other options. Shortly the main fuel log page (View All Fuel-Ups) will have extra functionality for searching, etc.

Thanks all!

pb
May 22, 2011
7:38 AM

GuyVXT, no, there's no option to turn off city percentage. 50/50 is the baseline, same as no data. So when people see that they can just assume the stat isn't relevant for your vehicle.

Wouldn't it be better to leave assumptions out of the equation and have it default to N/A unless we otherwise set it to something?

It was immediately something that bugged me. If I do actually drive 50/50 on my commute, people would just assume that I am not changing the default and by my fuel economy would think I am doing all highway because it rocks, when in fact I am doing something more impossible and awesome.

I am sure though that the way its built in that it would be a PITA to change though, and personally isn't a feature I intend to utilize on a regular basis (with 500-600 mile tanks I don't feel like keeping track of how many red lights I couldn't time).

The rest of the site is awesome, though I think in the navigation column on the left that "Your Garage" and "Information" could stand out/apart a little bit more. Also, the log book could use a faint line between each row.

Thanks guys!

Why can't you have the notes be shown instead of having to mouse over them? Please change that.

errorik
May 22, 2011
11:08 AM

@Jnitrofish - A solution for no data vs 50/50 is in works.

@JP2085 - Right below the mini log book there is a link to expand the notes as your default.

The columns for the other categories should be narrower, allowing for a larger notes column. Or just make the whole block wider to accommodate a larger notes column. 1 to 2 words per line is the definition of unreadable.

Tried to send in my stats using text msg and it didn't go work. That was a great feature, is it not working on the new site? Additionally, I haven't gone through the site yet but liked the old "look". Maybe it's just me and getting used to something new???? I know that the site is "Fuelly" but it would be great to have an add on for oil changes and tire rotations. Just date and mileage so we can keep track right here with the fuel. Yeah, I run a spreadsheet with ALL my auto expenses but it would be nice to have that info here. Cheers

@errorik - Thanks, that's great!

pb
May 22, 2011
1:03 PM

zagato27, our SMS provider Twilio has ongoing problems keeping our service running—it's unrelated to our redesign. We're working with them to try to keep the service up, but you might look into Fuelly Mobile while we're having this problem.

Would be nice to get a little more accurate with the engine choices. 3 of the vehicles I have entered 2 sizes of I4's and V6 engines available. That would help people see the differences in mileages.

New layout forces horizontal scrolling in a 1024px wide browser. That's absurd.

pb
May 22, 2011
2:23 PM

I was wrong on the SMS outage. Twilio was running just fine, we had some files moved to the wrong place in the move. SMS should be back on the air. If you sent a fuel-up via SMS today, please go into your SMS history and resend. Sorry about the hassle.

errorik
May 22, 2011
4:33 PM

@kevm14 - If you have notes expanded as your setting, there is now alternate CSS loaded which will give you more room for notes.

iznljca
May 22, 2011
5:18 PM

All graphics feel way too big. I would much prefer more info and less artwork per square unit.

DTMAce
May 22, 2011
6:30 PM

Site looks good. Not seeing too many problems, but will point out a couple of things I did notice...

The two tone line position of the background color, seems to be a bit off when the sidebar is hidden. It doesn't line up with aspects of the site, kinda creates an off look to it. Does not affect the function, just a visual thing.

Like the colors. Like the ability to show or hide the side bar, the notes field, etc. Great points. I use this a lot with a netbook, works great.

Only suggestion I can add to, is the city/highway thing. For me, rather than an N/A, I would like to preset it for each vehicle, for my known normal amount as a default, so I can just adjust it for fill ups that actually vary from the norm, rather than have to adjust each and every one. Otherwise I most likely will not be using it.

That's my only thought there. :D

Everything else appears to be good. Keep it up!

Looks to me like you didn't beta test. It looks really bad on my Google Chrome. Really annoying to look at.

I liked having all the stats up front. Now it looks all girly and fluffy. Is there a way to go back to Classic mode?

errorik
May 22, 2011
8:19 PM

@DMTAce - As you start to use the new system you should see that the City Driving % will default to the same percentage as your last fuel-up on a per car basis. So if each of your cars has it's own average it should be easy leave as is or make slight adjustments as you go along.

@jsinton - I've used Google Chrome quite a bit on the new site. Is there something in particular that seems off? Also, what OS/screen resolution are you on?

@xaarman - what stats are you missing now? Through the customized mini stats you should be able to have even more stats than before, with the exact settings you want.

iznljca
May 22, 2011
8:29 PM

My laptop screen resolution is 1366x768. The vehicle screen shows me not more than the following: picture of my car, three mpg values, the total number of miles tracked and the average price per gallon. I need to scroll down to see the rest. It would be lovely to be able to see all main stats in one screen at say 1024 px screen width.

Minor remark: because the main stats are not customizable and one cannot remove them, why are they offered again in the min stats lists?

Glad you guys listened to everyone complaining about how the color choice sucked... I agree with others that main stats are WAY oversized as well. While the new design does have one or two positives, the old design was far, far better.

sbw
May 23, 2011
5:44 AM

New design requires a VERY wide window to avoid the horizontal scroll bar. And when the window isn't wide enough, the central column bleeds into the darker background of the right sidebar. It just looks broken.

sbw
May 23, 2011
5:44 AM

Having trouble finding the permalink to individual fuel-ups.

errorik
May 23, 2011
6:49 AM

@iznljca - While it is possible to recreate the main stats down in the mini stats, the mini stats can have the time period fine tuned. So you might re-use a metric (Avg MPG) but have the time period at Last 3 Months. I actually have Avg MPG repeated twice next to each other comparing the last 3 months to the last 12 months.

snakeye
May 23, 2011
8:33 AM

Very nice. Fuelly is simple, very well designed and easy to use. More websites should be like this.

One think I personally don't like however is the city driving % as it's kind of hard thinking back to the last 1,200km to try to figure it out. It would be nice to be able to disable this feature.

mathowie
May 23, 2011
9:08 AM

@sbw, yeah, we're working on slimming it down slightly and getting that background float problem fixed.

Pancake
May 23, 2011
9:52 AM

Great work on the update, really like all of the added features, etc. Two issues: If I hit "expand notes" the note section does grow larger but I still have to mouse over the notepad icon to read the actual note.
And, if I hit "view annual reports" I am taken to a page that says "in progress", no annual reports are displayed.

pb
May 23, 2011
10:46 AM

sbw, you'll now find a permalink for each fuel-up on your fuel-up log. Go to your vehicle profile page and click "View all Fuel-ups" under the log book. On that page, each fuel-up has the date and time it was posted. Click the time to get the permalink to that individual fuel-up.

I think the site looks fine... I'm personally not all that into aesthetics, so as long as it's intuitive and functional, that's what I'm after. I don't like the new forum, however. It is nothing like any other forum I've used, and in fact is more like the comments section at the end of an article on a newspaper website. Problem is that I had already clicked into a subforum (site issues), and couldn't find a link to make a new thread. Took me ten minutes before I found it in the root.

I would like to say to webmaster , Great Job !!! I really like the site even better than before !!!

mathowie
May 23, 2011
11:14 AM

I don't like the new forum, however. It is nothing like any other forum I've used, and in fact is more like the comments section at the end of an article on a newspaper website.

We didn't make any major changes to the forum with this redesign, and you are correct, it is built off our blogging tools and looks like a comment section, which we're comfortable with. We were not aiming for a standard car forum type design or interaction.

I liked the old look much better. It showed more without scrolling. The little "tool" for showing percentage city driving is worthless to me, and I'd disable it if I could.

Strongbad
May 23, 2011
5:34 PM

I really like the new look. I LOVE the custom stats... But I do have to agree that there's a sense of wasted space. The graphics look great, but the information seems more difficult to visually process - everything is stacked vertically, and feels very far apart. Information won't all fit on my computer screen (maybe it looks great on an iPhone, but probably not if you hold it sideways, like a normal widescreen monitor). I also wish I could disable the city/hwy percentage. It's a huge graphic, and it doesn't really offer me anything. It's always seemed like a false distinction anyway: you drive a vehicle, in varying circumstances and locations, and you get real-world mileage - mpg is just one equation, not two. It's ALWAYS going to vary slightly, within a predictable range - there are just too many variables. It's nice to know the high and low ends of that range, and track the moving average (that's why I like this site so much) but I've always felt that listing a separate "highway" mpg was a just a way to subliminally appeal to a customer's sense of conservation when selling them a car. Anyway, there's my 2 cents. Hate that one graphic, and wish the layout was more wide-screen friendly. Other than that, I think you guys have done beautiful work with this site - it continues to be a very helpful tool... thank you!

To my previous comment: "I think in the navigation column on the left that "Your Garage" and "Information" could stand out/apart a little bit more. Also, the log book could use a faint line between each row."

I apologize as the site looks way more awesome on my right monitor (dual monitors). The contrast ratio and gamma settings on my left monitor make the site look all white and not a sort of light creme with white highlights. And you did actually put faint lines between link on the navigation, which I also could not see on my left monitor.

For the record:
Left (bad): ASUS 1440x900 LCD on DVI.
Right (not as bad but still off): Acer 1600x900 LED-LCD.

They were both bargain bin monitors.

Also thanks for the no data on the city/highway!

mathowie
May 23, 2011
8:52 PM

We moved the custom stats up, so you can get tons of info on your first screen without too much scrolling.

iznljca
May 23, 2011
9:22 PM

@mathowie - still not quite there imho. There is more than an inch of empty space on the left of the screen, and the main stats are still in too big a font. I suggest the three mpg stats + # of miles tracked + # of fill ups in row 1 in similar sized pictograms, then Avg. Price/Gallon, Fuel-up and Mile + Total Spent in row 2, then the two graphs next to one another. The words "Basic stats" can be removed without any loss of meaningful information, and so can the words "Recent Fuel Ups" and "Log Book"..

I'm in the midst of writing some scripts to extract data for further analysis; I hope the new format didn't break what I had!

Ah, but I see there's some export functionality that should, on balance, make things a bit easier. Great!

Well, maybe I'm a bit thick, but I was scrolling up and down the screen for a fair few minutes before I spotted the "add fuel up" button.

How much usability testing did you do before setting this live?

I like the new look and functionality. Good work!

I like the new look. Thanks for the site!

DTMAce
May 24, 2011
5:18 AM

Hey PB, that bug you fixed on the old site (that corrected small changes in the Average MPG shown) is back!!! LOL I filled up yesterday in the van and it changed, but doesn't show it... :p

May want to look into that again. Thanks!

iceweazel
May 24, 2011
7:21 AM

Ugh. Pop-over windows from fuel ups to review? 1998 has returned! Can we at least get an option to re-draw a page instead or a setting to disable that?

Having to add multiple off-site data Javascript hosts? (mefi.us,etc) Understandable for bandwidth, but not nice in this world of nasty code.

Can't say I like the new look either, after a little playing around, it seems to me that the layout is slightly LESS user friendly than it was before.

Now now I'm an art person, but it sure is ugly as heck now too.

The new charts are interesting. I'll have to see what I think after a couple more fillups.

BDC
May 24, 2011
7:58 AM

Is there an option for "no data" on city/highway percentage? I would like to second/third/infinity the request to make that field as well as its graph optional to display. I don't drive all of the cars that I log mileage for, and I have no interest in guessing city/highway percentage back however many years that I've been logging my cars for.

Map204
May 24, 2011
8:15 AM

Hey! Love the new redesign. I love the color of the new logo (sea foam green?) Have to say that I was always a fan of the "rainbow" logo as well.
Can't wait for the reminders feature. That will be SUPER useful. I'll definitely use the %city driving feature, even though it'll be kind of a guess-timate.

Is there a way to edit the Cost analysis print out? My settings are in UK and I live in Canada, but the "Total miles tracked", and "avg. Price/Mile" is in Miles. I'd like to change that to Kilometers. Not sure why it's combining metric and imperial stats.

mathowie
May 24, 2011
9:53 AM

paulo500, did you try hitting the "metric" link just below the logo in the upper left?

Hey errorik,

Check out my post fourth from the top in this thread, third paragraph, just wanted to make sure you caught that. The number of fuel-ups is definitely fixed, thanks, but the months with partial fuel-ups still show the wrong average in the bar chart (the chart shows mpgs as if the partial fuel-up and subsequent fuel-up are not included).

Thanks again for your work.

Mike

Slower than molasses. Would rather get the info in quickly and if I want more detail, then run something, but it runs like a three legged dog. Oh and the pop up after the fuel up is annoying

Well, this is right up there with the update MeetUp.com unleashed on their users a while back. But Fuelly is free so one can't get quite so worked up about it.

The new features are all very nice but the user experience is awful. In short, Fuelly used to be a pleasure to use, now it is a chore. (That the site is now so slow I will assume is just due to the transition and will be resolved)

Where to begin, first I have to say the logo is amateurish at best. Right out of a freebie clipart collection. The color scheme, well that is subjective so I will withhold comment however it does play a part in UX in that it should help to lead the user through page content. On that technical criteria it fails.

There are a number of poor design and information hierarchy decisions that make using the application unpleasant. First information is cramped into a space with nothing (like a variation in background for example) to define one section from another. It make it tiring to navigate. Other choices like why you felt that persons Avatar was so important that it needs to be so oversized are a mystery.

My personal vote for worst new feature is that after each fillup you now force me to click on a nuisance pop-up in order to get to my statistics. This alone is irritating enough to stop me from using the site.

I have used Fuelly with pleasure for a number of years now. I will try to keep using it for a few fillups more to see what changes. However if this new UX is what I have to look forward to I will be leaving.

But to end on something positive, the new features are all a nice addition. Thank you. It's just using them that sucks.

mrtickle
May 24, 2011
3:10 PM

Personally I loathe seeing months being displayed as numbers, anywhere. It means that for a second you have to think about which part of the date is the month, and then turn it back from the number into the name of the month yourself. Please, would you consider using Jan, Feb, Mar etc months? I know there's a minor issue with translation but it's the lesser of two evils IMHO.

I have a similar suggestion for the 2-digit years that have crept into the site now :-(. Putting the year as only 2 digits instead of 4 means that again you're seeing more numbers then have to translate back to a year by internally adding "19" or "20" when it's all so unnecessary. Four-digit years everywhere please :-)

mrtickle
May 24, 2011
3:15 PM

(The above applies mainly to the basic stats "Best" box, log book and both the recent fuel-ups graphs). I do like the site in general, just focussing on the niggles you understand.

nizationpcs
May 24, 2011
9:27 PM

If you're going to keep the city/highway nonsense, there needs to be a way to remove it from profiles of users who realize it's nonsense. This is a guess in most cases and does not belong on a site intended for accurate data tracking.

Do you divide your city/highway based on time or mileage? Even if you have a standard for this guesstimate, it's still a guesstimate and too fallible for me to consider using.

No sir, I don't like it.

Otherwise, I'm sure we'll get used to the new layout, but the old colors were nicer and I did like the greater focus on data we had before.

nizationpcs
May 24, 2011
9:45 PM

I just noticed on a friend's page it says "no data" on city/highway. Is that only because they haven't input any fuel up data since this feature, or is there a way I can delete the city/highway inpute from my only fuel up showing this information?

Thanks

UX needs to be revisited. Also the mobile site should be turned into an iPhone app. I know I can book mark it, but I have to resign in every now and then. This forum is awful.

I think this service has great potential, but it is only reaching half of it.

I think the new look is fresh and generally fine. Many thanks for putting the 'expand notes' option in as use my notes alot. I'm sure the few niggles will be ironed out soon. Only real annoyance was the popups after adding fuel ups etc. Keep up the good work.

pb
May 25, 2011
7:50 AM

nizationpcs, we're working on a way to set No Data for city/highway if you want to, but it's not there yet. It's on our long to do list.

Thanks everyone for the feedback so far. We know many of you are unhappy about the changes. In a perfect world we'd like for everyone to love the changes, but we know that's not possible. Keep the feedback coming. We are listening, and we're working on making the site as useful as possible to as many people as possible.

I dont like it, I prefer the old style, easier to understand compared to the current one

akamikazebutterfly
May 25, 2011
11:04 AM

wow - i must say i was surprised popping in for a fuel up and seeing a new layout, and overall i'm quite impressed. it looks fresher yet still relatively clean, and importantly looks like the site is evolving which is great!

i think for me the sense that a couple of places feel a little 'tight' or squished when they could have a little more buffer space around them (like the profile info) or make some more use of vertical space e.g the basic stats is my main feeling right now.

i would love to see more options in the badges, like choosing what basic info is displayed in the profile/driver sentence. on my badge the sentence runs into the graphic which isn't so pretty.

finally as an australian, i would love to see 'Petrol' added to the fuel options. i was initially puzzled at the selections as 'Gas' here to me meant the pressurised type. i had to go and ask someone what to choose.

overall great job! kudos :)

@errorik - it still looks big, bloated, and feminine. What's with the smooth curves to everything and giant odometer? Please bring back a classic option!!

Hey there Fuelly Team,

Thanks for the new look and redesign, I appreciate all the hard work you guys put into this site for us. Well done! Mathowie and PB, you guys ROCK!

errorik
May 26, 2011
2:18 AM

@nizationpcs and others - There is now a per car setting to turn off Driving Type Tracking (City vs Highway). From your Car Details page page click on [EDIT CAR] up near the top.

More details here:
http://www.fuelly.com/forum/752/City-vs-Highway-tracking-now-a-car-setting

errorik
May 26, 2011
3:33 AM

@MUD4FUN / @SkootzKabootz / @iceweazel - The "after fuel-up stats notice" has been revised a bit, both in less stats being displayed (as a number of the stats appear elsewhere on the page) and also to not be on top of anything else.

Please understand that the info that was appearing on top of the page used to be an entire page in of itself - so you ALWAYS had to click to get rid of it.

The purpose is to have you review what you just added and give an easy link to edit if needed - so we don't plan on getting rid of the notice altogether, but hopefully now that it is a little more streamlined you (and others) are not so bothered by it.

Love the new look, esp. cost analysis by custom time period. Once you have a large number of fuelups, the average isn't going to change much no matter what (unless you have a drastic or severe change), so it makes more sense to look at a "moving" average. Plus it's more accurate and reflective of changes due to inflation, etc. as it drops off older, less relevant data.

Thanks for the updates!

TallyCannon
May 27, 2011
7:42 AM

My Fuell signature badge still works, but there is not a link to them on the Fuelly site anymore that I can find.

TallyCannon
May 27, 2011
7:44 AM

Sorry. I had thought I looked every where, then I posted and guess what. I found the badges. Thanks.

sendderek
May 27, 2011
1:44 PM

I'm enjoying the new look and feel! Good job. A couple suggestions if I may:

1) In the notification "Fuel-up Updated!", the text "[Dismiss" is one one line and "]" is on another. I do have the sidebar hidden.

2) I LOVE the city/hwy percentages. Thanks so much for this. I'm looking forward to the ability to add this data via SMS. However, could there be a way to provide users with an easy way to calculate that percentage?

I envision a text box that gathers "how many miles did you drive on the highway?" after all other information has been collected. I would enter in 220 miles. The form already has total distance traveled entered as 274 miles. Then it should spit out 20% city (80% highway). Not sure how this would play into SMS, I guess you'd just have to know before hand.

It's simple math, I know, but it would be that much more convenient to have it automatically done. Currently, I use a percentage calculator on a different website to do it for me quickly.

Also, I don't know about most other folks, but it's easier to track the highway mileage than city.

Hello,

Sorry to whinge in my first post... but having just spent some time browsing fuelly.com I just wanted to mention some observations...

If the objective of this website is to provide comparative fuel economy info, users should be obliged to specify the car's engine type including power output and size, or the information they provide is rendered useless.

It would be also useful to request info to be posted in the Notes section on how and where the car is driven. I.e enthusiastically/carefully, in town/out of town/motorway/ frequent short trips, frequent long trips.

I know this sounds hard line but what point is there of going to the trouble of plotting a cars mpg over a number of fill ups, logging in and posting the info, if you're not going to reveal what engine is under the bonnet?

David

pb
May 28, 2011
6:57 AM

Thanks for the thoughts, David. You might try going through the process of setting up a vehicle and tracking a few fuel-ups to get a better sense of how the site works. We do ask for the engine type when you create a car, and you can filter by this while you're browsing cars. Look for the "Filter to:" option at the top of vehicle pages. I think if you spend a bit more time looking around you'll find some of your concerns have already been addressed.

More often than not the link to start a new forum thread is missing from the top of the forum homepage. Is anyone else seeing this?

DTMAce
May 31, 2011
10:47 PM

Only when viewing a thread I do. From the main "forum" page it works fine.

Not sure if you guys saw this part of the comment from up top cause it still looks the same on my page...the monthly average chart isn't showing the right figures since it leaves out partial fill-ups and the following fill-up out of the averaged values.

My March and May bars are good examples if you take a look. Thanks.

pb
Jun 1, 2011
9:27 AM

Didn't miss it, mikewithaprius, that behavior just wasn't part of the redesign. The monthly charts have always been an average of calculated averages. It doesn't take total distance / total fuel volume for a particular month. The problem is the shorter time frame. It's easier to have odd situations like missed fuel-ups or several partials within a month than it is over the life of the vehicle. So using the totals instead of calculated averages could end up less accurate overall due to the shorter time span.

OK, thanks. I might deselect partial fill-up for some of them to see the monthly average, then. Only issue is my best mpg will be incorrect, but I'll know what it is. On the second Gen Prius like I have the gas tank is variable in volume, so really every month I could have partial fill-ups, so I would never see my monthly average. Not really sure if other cars have that system (the "fuel bladder" went away on the third gen Prius).

hey i like the new home page view, but its showing wrong average MPG for both of my cars:
'10 GOLF TDI my average MPG is 40.9 but on homepage it says 42.6 , if you actualy click on the car it takes it to the full menu where you can see correct 40.9

'07 Rabbit average MPG is 25, but homepage says 24.6, once again if you click on that car and go into full details page for that car it shows correct 25MPG,
am i doing something wrong? thanks

Darren5L
Jun 2, 2011
7:17 AM

Fantastic work on the new dashboard!

pb
Jun 2, 2011
8:11 AM

Roman, the dashboard is showing your average across the last 10 fuel-ups and the vehicle profile is showing your all-time average. Sorry about the confusion, we just launched the new dashboard last night and we still have some work to do to make everything clear.

albolte
Jun 2, 2011
1:03 PM

It appears that the notes section is misreading apostrophe characters - for example, looking at past entries, I can see where I typed Smith's and it currently reads as Smith&s. Not a deal-breaker, but mildly annoying - might be worth looking at.

pb
Jun 2, 2011
4:27 PM

Where are you seeing that albolte? Everything looks ok to me in the fuel log with notes either compact or expanded. The "View All Fuel-ups" page looks good too.

albolte
Jun 3, 2011
9:17 AM

Seeing it on my fuel log with notes compact and expanded. Looking at the page on IE7 if that makes any difference.

albolte
Jun 3, 2011
9:19 AM

Oh, I just realized that I put down the wrong info WRT what I'm seeing on my notes. It's not & I'm seeing, but '.

pb
Jun 3, 2011
10:02 AM

Our comments here use HTML so it's probably converting your characters for display and we don't have a mechanism for sharing raw HTML.

We might do better with screenshots. Here's what your notes look like for me in IE9: expanded, compact. Is that what you're seeing?

I don't have a copy of IE7 for testing, but it could certainly be something related to the browser. It could also be a font problem unique to your system.

thanks PB, so homepage is last 10 fill ups, thats cool, do you think you can add an option of me changing the setting to show what i want *(all time, last year, etc) o and perhaps you could get it to say last 10 fill ups right under that Average number just so its easier to tell?
thak you,
btw: site's coming together really well, i really like new hopepage look of when i log in. keep it up

pb
Jun 3, 2011
10:29 AM

Right now we're planning to add a note to the dashboard that your "Running MPG Avg" = Last ten fuel-ups. We've discussed making it customizable, but that will down the road a ways if we do it.

Glad you like the new look!

albolte
Jun 4, 2011
7:15 PM

@pb - Here's the screencaps from IE7 you asked for. expanded | compact

I'm looking at it on Safari 4.1.3 (Mac OS X 10.4.11) and it looks fine; the issue I described is not present. Guessing it's a browser compatibility issue - like I said, not a deal-breaker, just a minor annoyance. If you guys can fix it, great; if not, I'll continue to happily use Fuelly for my MPG calculation needs. Thanks!

pb
Jun 4, 2011
8:36 PM

ahh, I see the problem now. Thanks for the screenshots. It's not an obvious bug, but we're looking into it.

awesome!!

Hey pb, so before it was a question, here's my official request for a new feature:

The partial fuel-up method of calculation is all over the place. If I take them out, the only correct number is overall average mpg. If I put them back in, I at least get best tank back.

But the running average is incorrect. The monthly graphs are incorrect, both factually and graphically. I see what you're saying about a shorter timespan, but in the end mpg = miles over gallons, and anything else is inaccurate. The numbers are starting to become relatively meaningless since my page, however cool it looks after the redesign, is littered with random, incorrect figures.

Don't even have to answer...just ponder, maybe I'll wake up and be surprised one day :-)

pb
Jun 6, 2011
9:16 AM

The numbers aren't going to work for everyone, mikewithaprius. No matter what decision we make on how to calculate the various stats, there are plenty of other ways to do it that we won't use and folks will end up unhappy. Just this week I've had conversations with people who don't want partials included in overall average.

We need to make some decisions about how things will be calculated based on the best way we see to do it for the widest possible audience. We're definitely open to discussion, but keep in mind that your version of "correct" or "incorrect" might only apply to some people. For others, excluding partials is "correct" for every stat.

If the numbers are meaningless to you, sorry about that. You might need to find another way to track things. We set up one way to track here and we know it's not the only way.

DTMAce
Jun 7, 2011
6:24 AM

This just makes me happy that I never do partial tanks. I know from building my own excel sheet that partials can obviously screw up the thing. I do use a slightly different method to calculate correctly the partials, but its still a pain. But since I have no partial tanks on any of my vehicles at the moment, its a moot point.

My sheet, as an example, makes note of partials if they are present, then totals them up with the next full tank, providing a true mileage value, rather than just absorbing them and letting them be part of the larger overall. So if you do a partial, then the next fill up is a full tank, the sheet adds the values of those two fill ups together and gives you your MPG on that full tank fill up, rather than skip it and wait for 2 full tanks in a row. It works for me anyway, but I don't do that here. And since I don't have any partials... It doesn't really matter to me.

As PB says, there is no one correct way to do this. I think their site does a fine job, if one takes into account that each person has to be thorough or more accurate with their own reporting. Not everyone has the same standards.

I'm enjoying the redesign, but miss the speed of the old site. I save up receipts and enter them all in once a month. Used to take me (what seemed like) seconds, now it's minutes... Maybe just the kinks getting worked out? If not, would love a multiple entry page to make data entry easier. Thanks!

Sure does seem slow, especially compared to the "old" layout.

It would be nice if some of the wasted vertical space could be removed so one could see the whole page at once, and not have to scroll down to use the button at the bottom.

pb
Jun 8, 2011
2:53 PM

vkurup, you might take a look at importing fuel-ups. That's the fast way to enter multiple fuel-ups at once. Creating a CSV file by hand for a half dozen fuel-ups is quick work.

Where do you mean, Charon? Which button do you want to get to faster?

any chance you guys will launch an app ?
not just for iphone, but for android's as well?
would be awesome if you had an app.
thanks

pb
Jun 8, 2011
9:13 PM

Thanks for the suggestion, Roman. We're a small team so we have to use our resources wisely. We also happen to be Web guys. So we can develop Fuelly Mobile once with technologies we already know and it works on iPhones, Androids, Blackberrys, Windows phones, and a bunch of others. It might not be as slick as a native app for each of these platforms, but we don't see what big advantages native apps would give our users for the time it would take to develop them.

I think in a perfect world where we had infinite resources we would create native apps for every major platform. But when you're a small side operation you have to make some tough decisions about where to spend resources.

pb, thanks for the 'import fuel-up' link. That will be very useful! But the site is much snappier today so maybe I won't need it :-)

Great job with the redesign!

pb
Jun 9, 2011
10:05 AM

Yeah, we're hitting another traffic wall that's unrelated to the redesign. We just have more people using the site. We're working on that too so thanks for bearing with us.

The "Add Fuel-up" page has a lot of wasted space. When adding a fuel-up, I have to scroll down the page to get to the "Fuel-Up" button. Perhaps some of the vertical space could be reduced to make the whole page fit on one screen without scrolling.

I once (long ago) asked about the possibility of entering fuel price as a total instead of per-unit. Seems to me that option would be no more difficult than the option of adding mileage either by odometer reading or tripmeter reading. Maybe that can be looked at again.

pb
Jun 9, 2011
4:20 PM

I know it feels like the new site is radically different, but the fuel-up button is slightly higher on the page in the new design. We didn't really touch the forms, just the stuff around the forms. If it doesn't work for you that's ok, but I don't think it's an issue with the new design—it's always been that way.

I hear you on total price. Some people would prefer that, but we'd like to keep things extremely simple. Adding an extra field or a per car option for tracking total price vs. price/fuel volume would be another complication that we'd have to explain to everyone using the site. By making choices like this we simplify the entire process even though that choice alienates some people. It's a trade-off we're willing to make because we think it means more people will be able to use the site overall.

Hi,

This site is beautiful for me, but i'm sorry, I prefer the old look much much more than the current look; to me, the old look was perfect, like a control panel in an airplane cockpit. Now , to me it looks like an os, add new plugins, and whatnot.

Is there a way for users to opt for the old look?

pb
Jun 10, 2011
9:42 AM

No, sorry, there's no way to go back to the old look.

As someone who does not have to come on here very often, I was surprised to see the new look. I do like the ability to break down my data over calender years, so I can see how variations in weather from year to year affects my consumption.

I am not so sure about the City/Highway driving bit. In the UK where rural roads can mean average speeds no better than in town, and where roadworks can appear anywhere, it seems unnecessary. I for one have no idea what mileage I have done that could be classed as City driving and have no desire to record it. I note others feel the same and trust that the option to remove it will come in due course.

What I would like to see is an option to include a National Flag so that when browsing a list of particular vehicles at year level you can see where each vehicle is based. This is because climatic conditions can affect consumption of a Prius considerably as well as national traffic conditions & road quality. It would be nice to seperate the UK based vehicles from those in the US & other countries.

mathowie
Jun 12, 2011
3:32 PM

JollyEnglishGent, in the US, we talk about City/Highway in regards to street driving versus driving on a large high-speed freeway. So though back-roads in the farmlands are not quite "city" they are considered as part of everything that isn't a high speed expressway. You can disable the feature on your vehicles if you like.

Great Site! Came across it yesterday from someone's BB badge and I've already started "pumping" my gas receipts and maintenance logs into it. I really like the reminders feature. I've noticed that when I modify a reminder it doesn't get reflected on the confirmation screen or dashboard. Has this bug been reported?

pb
Jul 20, 2011
11:35 AM

Thanks for letting us know, AgapeDisciple. It should be working now.