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Old 07-18-2007, 04:44 PM   #11
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How does 74 US mpg (90mpg imperial) sound in a completely stock Aygo?
http://www.worldcarfans.com/rsslink....fuel-challenge

This Aygo was parked in front of my hotel in Gothenburg Sweden last summer.
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Old 07-18-2007, 05:55 PM   #12
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Well, I must say that that is insane. A totally stock car? No aero mods?

Who wants to start the petition?
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Old 07-18-2007, 06:02 PM   #13
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I actually just noticed that the above posted mileage (tjts1) was achieved on a closed course, at very low speeds. That makes the car lose points in my book.

However, it doesn't change the fact that I would still love to see the car make its way to the states. Aero mods and slight engine modifications could help it achieve numbers close to 70mpg... with a little work.
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Old 07-18-2007, 08:27 PM   #14
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Email Toyota about bringing a diesel Aygo to NA.
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Old 07-18-2007, 10:39 PM   #15
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The diesel engine is a Peugeot HDI design. The Peugeot 107 and Citroën C1 are built in the same factory.
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Old 11-19-2007, 11:18 PM   #16
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Citroen Peugeot

PSA (Citroen and Peugeot) are ahead of the game in Europe and their engines are used by Ford, Land Rover, BMW (Mini), Volvo and others.

The HDi engines are very efficient - my large family car, a Citroen C5, does 60mpg and has even managed 70 mpg on a long drive to Bordeaux from Manchester.

They have one drawback and that is the cambelt. You need to change it in line with the service manual at 100,000 miles (not expensive to do) otherwise it can break and destroy the head.

My car has done 113,000 and I have owned Citroen Xantias that have covered 250,000 miles. There is a Xantia taxi in Manchester that has done 500,000 miles and is still going strong and returning 50 mpg - with the added advantage that it can run on straight vegetable oil.

The US needs to turn it's money and engineering might to fuel efficiency - come on guys, show the rest of us what the US can achieve, take us into the NEXT century!

And as for The Green Car of the Year - 21mpg, you are joking right!
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Old 11-20-2007, 12:12 PM   #17
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... and our engineering might has withered on the vine or been outsourced.
Hey now.... Those be fight'n words

Alas, it is quite a sad story... Moscow State is still one of the Top Engineering schools in the world - so I've been told
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Old 11-20-2007, 12:49 PM   #18
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Our money is all tied up in the meddle east and our engineering might has withered on the vine or been outsourced. The rest of the US is too preoccupied with pro sports and/or britney spears to lead the world into the next century- I think the Europeans will have to carry the torch.
Let me see..... America can design Stealth bombers and nuclear submarines, Ipods and computers..... surely we can design FE cars.

GM could engineer a 2 cylinder boxer engine of about 1 liter, equip it with direct injection and vvt, add an integrated starter alternator, add a 6 speed tranny, put it in a reasonably aerodynamic 4 passenger body and get 50 MPG city AND highway. A piece of cake to design, actually. It could sell for ~15K profitably.

But GM (or Ford, or Chrysler) won't build such a car, because the corporate types don't see enough profit in it. And Government types don't want to lose gasoline taxes, so they'll try to kill it with false "safety" and "environmental" regulations.

It's NOT the engineers.
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:42 PM   #19
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I actually just noticed that the above posted mileage (tjts1) was achieved on a closed course, at very low speeds. That makes the car lose points in my book.

However, it doesn't change the fact that I would still love to see the car make its way to the states. Aero mods and slight engine modifications could help it achieve numbers close to 70mpg... with a little work.
http://www.nesea.org/transportation/...%20Summary.pdf
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:57 PM   #20
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yes sludgy you are correct- we CAN but we don't WANT TO.

still our engineering leadership ain't what it yoosta be
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