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Old 12-04-2007, 07:08 AM   #11
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25MPG from a fullsize! What'd you make the airdam out of? I have lots of things I've been planning on trying and can never get to but now I really need to increase MPG a bit.

Did you consider making it taller and blocking the grill a bit? I wouldn't mind increasing how quickly my engine heats up.

Also is that last picture the inside of the 'fast back'? I had thought a pop snap tonneau type cover/fast back like that would help a lot, I was planning on adding snaps along the cab too and not leaving any gap. Did you try making this without a frame? That is can you just stretch the material tight and get close enough? Any shrinking/stretching/billowing I would think would line up with whatever the air is doing anyway.

How much of an improvement did you see with the fast back? I was hoping for quite a bit, the reason mine got put on hold is because I didn't want to spend $100 for the tool that puts the snaps/rivets together and don't know anyone I can borrow it from. Plus my material is more like boat canvas, I wouldn't want it for winter use anyway.
You can buy caps for trucks and tonneau covers for trucks, but you cannot buy a fastback cap. The closest thing I've found is a cap called "Top Gun" made by a company called "Snugtop" It has a rounded rear, and should improve mileage quite a bit. But they don't make one tht fits my Ford Super Duty!

It really torques me off that you can't buy aero parts for pickup trucks. I'd buy reasonably priced pre-engineered fatback tops, air dams, wheel spats, mirrors and the like. But the just don't make them. It's a conspiracy, I tell you.
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Old 12-04-2007, 07:14 AM   #12
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Looks like you have named your market and should start building some...$$$
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Old 12-04-2007, 07:15 AM   #13
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Up until now i thought an air dam was just one of those things that work for racers but not the average Joe.

Normally this time of year, my tankful MPG drops to the high 23s and low 24s. It is 18 degrees and my last tankful with my air dam was in the low 25s. Only difference is the air dam.

Using conveyor belt meant I could be fearless about road debris and get really aggressive about approach the road. I set mine one inch above grade. Yes it did drag on braking but not for long. the road ground off the excess and since all dragging happened during braking or backing up, the "grinding" process did not affect my MPG.

Is your F350 a 7.3 or is it a 6.0? The 6.0s suck generally, and suck fuel specifically.......
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Is your F350 a 7.3 or is it a 6.0? The 6.0s suck generally, and suck fuel specifically.......
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Old 12-04-2007, 03:10 PM   #15
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Danronian posted;
?Just the height of that bumper is almost as high as my civic...?

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You must have one low-down civic. The top of the bumper is 24? above grade. It looks taller because I slammed the truck 4? to reduce aero drag a couple years ago.


Itjstagame asked:
?What'd you make the airdam out of??

Big Dave sez:
24? by 5/8? conveyor belt. Very, very durable stuff.


Itjstagame asked:
?Did you consider making it taller and blocking the grill a bit??

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Nope. One thing at a time. I have taken the OEM grille off and am fabricating a reduced-intake area grille to replace it. Mark 1 version will be a simple blocked grille. Mark 2 will have a damper assembly so the thing can open up at low speed (<15 MPH) or if the engine gets hot).


Itjstagame asked:
?How much of an improvement did you see with the fast back??

Big Dave sez:
3.0 MPG over an open bed.
1.5 MPG over a flat tonneau.

Lovemysan posted:
?Hey, your the guy who was in diesel power.?

Big Dave sez:
That?s me.


Sludgy posted:
?The closest thing I've found is a cap called "Top Gun" made by a company called "Snugtop" It has a rounded rear, and should improve mileage quite a bit.?

Big Dave sez:
It?s better than a square back but not much. A square back makes your pickup a vrtual van ? the ultimate aero brick.


Sludgy asked:
?Is your F350 a 7.3 or is it a 6.0? The 6.0s suck generally, and suck fuel specifically.......?

Big Dave says:
It is a 7.3. Last of the forged conn rods.
The 6.0 gets a bad rap because of the EGR. If it were mine, I?d clean the EGR valve and disable it closed.


Sludgy posted:
?I'd buy reasonably priced pre-engineered fatback tops, air dams, wheel spats, mirrors and the like. But the just don't make them. It's a conspiracy, I tell you.?

Big Dave says:
My next big project should interest you. I gotta get some bucks together because this involves stuff I can?t do.

I?m gonna buy a junkyard Super Duty bed. Mine is in too good shape to cut up.
The plan:
1. Remove tail gate
2. Move the tailgate posts in to being 49? apart (just outboard the inside of the wheel wells) and shorten them to 12? high (they are currently 24? above the load deck)
3. Narrow and shorten the tail gate to 49? wide by 12? high.
4. Taper the bed, starting about even with the rear axle down to this narrowed and shortened tailgate. Essentially tapering the bed both 12? vertically and 30? horizontally.
5. Make a permanent top. For the first foot behind the cab, staying flush. The second foot tapers down about 3? and has pockets for faired-in rear view cameras and a brake light. From there it angles down at a 6:12 pitch to a point about 6? behind the tailgate. The final part of the bed is covered by a tambor door tonneau (truck guys will recognize ReTrax or Pace Edwards) set at the 6:12 pitch instead of flat.
6. Fair in the rear part of the frame and blend it into a roll pan.
7. Modify the narrow/lowered tail gate to make a Kamm truncation.
8. Put the tail lights into the Kamm truncation.

What will this do? First and foremost, reduce the wake area from 80?x28? to 50?x16? ? a 65% reduction. This should improve coefficient of drag greatly.

I can still carry a 4x8 as well as I do today ? the classic pickup mission. I will also retain my trailer hitch.

Lose the ?elephant ears? side view mirrors in favor of CCTV and interior-mounted mirrors.

I will have immediate but secure access to the bed.

What will it look like? Google up ?Cobra Daytona coupe.? Look at the picture of the 1964 Cobra Daytona coupe and imagine the tail end of it grafted onto a pickup truck. The Daytona coupe was a very low-drag design that allowed 289 cobras to beat Ferraris down the Mulsanne straight at LeMans.

Throw in an improved air dam, side skirts, wheel skirts, and grille blocking and this may be the lowest coefficient of drag on any pickup truck.
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My air dam survived a 3-5" snowfall yesterday, but that is about its limit.
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Summer MPG: 27.0
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Old 12-09-2007, 11:44 AM   #17
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wow! thats' really quite good gas mileage! Especially for a 1 ton Ford!
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Old 12-09-2007, 08:20 PM   #18
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Big Dave, what's the approx. weight of the air dam?
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Old 12-11-2007, 03:33 PM   #19
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It weighs about 30 pounds.
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Summer MPG: 27.0
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Big Dave! You mention the "slam" for your truck. Did that impact your milage and if so by how much?

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