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Old 07-18-2016, 04:52 AM   #61
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More about the charging costs and the effect on EV sales here

6 Ecotricity EV charging fee set to deter plug-in hybrids from charging at motorway services - GreenCarGuide.co.uk
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Old 07-18-2016, 08:15 AM   #62
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Many race cars now use double clutch automatics, and the automatic in the Challenger Hellcat can outshift professional drivers.
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Old 07-18-2016, 10:18 AM   #63
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Many race cars now use double clutch automatics, and the automatic in the Challenger Hellcat can outshift professional drivers.
It's the end of the world!
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Old 07-18-2016, 03:32 PM   #64
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Ha, you're probably still classed as young then! It seems at the moment the hassle, cost and short range of EV cars makes them a style and eco ethics choice, rather than an economic one.
I still would like to have the plug in to increase my hybrid mpg, but couldn't face suffering more new car depreciation by switching to the Prime when it's out.
You should take a Prius out for a test drive Paul, see what you think. I got around an 8-10 mile drive and the chance to test some rapid acceleration.
As an automatic sceptic, that was enough to close me on the CVT.
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Old 07-20-2016, 02:21 PM   #65
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I'm testing a new car this weekend, watch this space. It has a clutch and gears though, sorry to disappoint you
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Ha ha, i'm not disappointed - i think you're missing out though! The CVT is nowt like the auto box we grew up despising!
So, is it a modern, fully functional petrol hybrid?
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:09 AM   #67
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No it's an old fashioned petrol burner, something fast to keep my adrenal gland ticking over!
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Old 07-26-2016, 07:59 AM   #68
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Requiring EV buyers to lease the battery is like the trend to move software applications into the cloud and charging an annual fee for access (i.e. Microsoft Office 365 and a whole host of other big name apps).

Of course, NOTHING is free, even electric car travel. If the 10 year, battery replacement cost is $9,400 and the average American travel is 15,000 the cost per mile is 6.2 cents per mile.

I'm pulling better than 45mpg with my Honda. Assuming gas remains US$3/gallon over the next 10 years, my cost per mile for 150,000 miles of travel is US$10,000. This doesn't include routine maintenance that and ICE requires whereas an EV has nearly none; not even brake pads with regen braking.

Ideally, you don't want an EV with a battery lease. In 10 years, at the annual rate of battery tech improvement (5% per year, so far), your replacement batter will offer far better performance at a substantially lower cost.

I'm SO confident of my prediction Paul and Ben will gladly pay the cost difference, because they're just that kinda guys.
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Wow. That is crazy. It definitely makes you think.
THINK?! Not me. I'm going back to watching TV, thank you.
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Ha ha ha! I'm prepared to argue about most subjects, but only cos its free - good luck getting Paul to pay up!
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