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Old 02-12-2018, 06:47 AM   #11
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Odyssey is assembled and largely designed in US.
But Honda is still headquartered in Japan, and people will call it a Japanese car.

The large American minivan is a dying segment was my point. There are only four manufacturers still making one; Honda, Toyota, FCA, and Kia. Ford, GM, and Nissan have all abandoned it because of poor sales.
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But Honda is still headquartered in Japan, and people will call it a Japanese car.

The large American minivan is a dying segment was my point. There are only four manufacturers still making one; Honda, Toyota, FCA, and Kia. Ford, GM, and Nissan have all abandoned it because of poor sales.
obviously your name is spot on. Minivan market is coming back around with continued growth in this segment and also small 3 row suv's. Larger vehicles (hence new lincoln and suburbans) are staying stagnant.

The ideology that any one manufacturer is American is well past gone. Ford, Chevy and FCA (actually Italian maker) are no more American than Honda from a manufacturing stand point. If you want to count the heritage, sure buy "American" all day long. Dam near every sensor in a car is foreign, nearly all cars are now metric..list goes on and on.

Arcadia is currently the most American made vehicle right now somewhere in the high 80%'s depending who you ask.

Your 2016 Camry is around 75% "American".
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Old 02-13-2018, 04:31 PM   #13
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From this site, it doesn't look like the new Pacificas exist. Can't find a single one. Here's mine:

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Old 02-14-2018, 07:40 AM   #14
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obviously your name is spot on. Minivan market is coming back around with continued growth in this segment and also small 3 row suv's. Larger vehicles (hence new lincoln and suburbans) are staying stagnant.

The ideology that any one manufacturer is American is well past gone. Ford, Chevy and FCA (actually Italian maker) are no more American than Honda from a manufacturing stand point. If you want to count the heritage, sure buy "American" all day long. Dam near every sensor in a car is foreign, nearly all cars are now metric..list goes on and on.

Arcadia is currently the most American made vehicle right now somewhere in the high 80%'s depending who you ask.

Your 2016 Camry is around 75% "American".
According to the VIN, my Camry is a Japanese import.

If the minivan market is improving, you should tell the manufacturers.
Toyota Sienna Sales Figures | GCBC
Chrysler Pacifica Sales Figures | GCBC
Honda Odyssey Sales Figures | GCBC
Kia Sedona Sales Figures | GCBC
Dodge Grand Caravan Sales Figures | GCBC
Chrysler Town & Country Sales Figures | GCBC
Only the Sienna and Pacifica saw an improvement in sales this January compared to the previous year. All the models have been losing annual sales from 2015 or 2016. (note: GoodCarBadCar has segment sales charts, but the 2017 and 2016 ones for minivans wasn't available.)

Whether two or three rows of seats, SUVs and crossovers have been the winners in the past year. They are a separate recognized segment from minivans though.

I'm surprised no one used the easy counter to my snark; Chrysler is owned by Fiat.
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Minivans are a dying market because they're so uncool, and it's impossible to style them due to thier large bulky design. People are fussy these days, and style is becoming increasingly important, SUV'S with extra seats are far more popular these days, the new Peugeot 5008 for example is one of my new favourite 7 seater:

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@trollbait, I'm not sure what are you leading to. Are you saying that Pacifica shouldn't show up in the directory because many people prefer the questionable vanity of SUVs?
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