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Old 09-13-2016, 02:07 PM   #11
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Until EVs take over, I'm all for improvements to IC drivetrains. Mercedes is working on an 11-speed auto. My 2015 Audi Q5 diesel has an 8-speed auto, and I love it!
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Old 09-14-2016, 05:41 PM   #12
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I thought the CV Transmissions were beyond many speeds. Thus, they will give 6 or 7 speed, just to make people happy.
I think this 10 speed is to capitalize on the 10 speed bike craze of 50 years ago.
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Old 09-15-2016, 05:59 AM   #13
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CVTs have all the gear ratios between a set low and high speed gear ratio.

The Corolla CVT goes from 2.480 to 0.396 with a 4.761 final drive ratio.

The six speed auto in the Cruze has 4.58, 2.96, 1.91, 1.44, 1, and 0.74 for gear ratios, with a final drive ratio of 3.53, for comparison.

When automatics get over 5 and 6 speeds, the extra speeds are more overdrive ratios. CVTs can match those overdrives, but outside Asia, many don't care for how they drive. Which is why many CVTs have pseudo speeds; to make them drive more like a step transmission. There is also the issue of how well a CVT will hold up a true work truck.
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Old 09-16-2016, 03:22 AM   #14
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The wife's new 2016 Rogue (CVT) got 40 MPG US (48 Brit) driving home with the cruise set at 55 MPH (90KPH). About 1250 RPM. Rated 33 highway US.
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Old 09-16-2016, 07:59 AM   #15
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Is that 40mpg on the dash computer or 40mpg with filling and real arithmetic? How far a distance?
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Old 09-16-2016, 07:46 PM   #16
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Until EVs take over, I'm all for improvements to IC drivetrains. Mercedes is working on an 11-speed auto. My 2015 Audi Q5 diesel has an 8-speed auto, and I love it!
I have a 9 speed but you have to use the paddles to engage the extremely low 1st gear. Top gear engages around 105kph
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Old 09-17-2016, 12:29 AM   #17
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When you have virtually infinite ratios, you can use the transmission to control engine speed, while maintaining the ideal (high) load, instead of choking off atmospheric pressure to control engine power production, with a throttle plate, which is very inefficient.
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Old 09-17-2016, 01:14 AM   #18
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These ideas appear good on paper, but truth be told, all the 8+ speed boxes you see on the German, Japanese cars here make very little difference to the fuel numbers. I thinks it's better to have fewer gears and be in top gear at as low a speed as you can afford. They tend to get slated by the press too, they are over fidgety, flapping around changing gear all the time at lower speeds etc, almost as annoying as a CVT.
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Old 09-17-2016, 03:52 AM   #19
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The Prius CVT is awesome! I still drive the 6 speed manual diesel Honda CR-V once a week, which is a nice drive, but I definitely prefer the CVT. If you ever have to boot it, it does lose the super smoothness - but no more than as you charge up through a gear in a manual.
As for being in the highest gear asap, I found that to be a myth in the i20. You could easily drive in 6th when you were doing 50, the "eco" shift indicators encouraging you to do so. Yet the scangauge, with proof at the pumps, showed often staying a gear or two below top gear was actually better for economy. You'll have 6 in yours will you Paul?
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Old 09-17-2016, 05:15 AM   #20
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There is more to it than meets the eye. In general an engine operates most efficiently at the speed at which it produces maximum torque. It produces maximum torque at the speed at which its internal losses are minimum. It will pull at lower speeds, but its efficiency will be lower.
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