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Old 06-16-2007, 12:52 PM   #1
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10 million dollars to the best mpg car design

Ok this is cool. Who will win?

Anybody on this site going to enter?

I wish somebody would try.

I would love to quite my job and do this.

Is anyone independently wealthy out there?

For the automotive X prize, Diamandis says the foundation is looking for cars that can qualify in two categories: a traditional four-seat, four-wheel category, and a nontraditional category of at least two seats and at least three wheels. Other guidelines for the competition are being worked out, he said, although both cars will be required to exceed 100 miles per gallon, Diamandis said. "They may be powered by electricity, natural gas, by methane, by hydrogen. We don't know."



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Old 06-16-2007, 01:05 PM   #2
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Darin doesn't do anything, he should do it.

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Old 06-16-2007, 02:17 PM   #3
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This must be what Peakster is working on...
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Old 06-19-2007, 07:02 PM   #4
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I thought this was really interesting

I guess I go out on a limb here but isn't this the kind of thing that might interest
a lot of people here?

I would love to hear ideas, debate, anything


Slap me if I am out of line.
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Old 06-19-2007, 08:50 PM   #5
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Well, sure, I'd love to try. If I had money and time. Maybe start with a 5 spd Metro and do extensive mods:
1. Replace the hatch with a carbon fiber boat tail, so it'd be both lighter and more aerodynamic.
2. Carbon fiber hood, fenders, and any other easy body panel, to get the weight down.
3. Naturally, would want wheel skirts.
4. Replace back and side windows with Lexan.
5. Get some super light alloy rims, custom made if necessary.
6. Treat the engine with a cryo process, ceramic coating, and impregnation with slippery substances.
7. Put in taller gearing.
8. supplement or replace the alternator with solar panels.
9. And while we're on the subject of electricity, replace any mechanically driven pumps with electric ones. If the solar panel can handle it, all the more reason to do it.
10. How about some headers so it'll breathe better?
11. And, as far as breathing goes, maybe a turbocharger too?
12. And of course the easy stuff like the 0w20 oil, LRR tires inflated to high pressures.

All that is stuff that costs a moderate amount of money but does work. I'd be looking for all that sort of stuff that works but which the automakers don't do because it costs them too much to manufacture.
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Old 06-20-2007, 12:45 PM   #6
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Heard this on the news this AM and wanted to share it.
Google said Tuesday it is getting in on the development of electric vehicles, awarding $1 million in grants and inviting applicants to bid for another $10 million in funding to develop plug-in hybrid electric vehicles capable of getting 70 to 100 miles per gallon.
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Old 06-20-2007, 04:22 PM   #7
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we are getting someplace now

I like the Google Hybrid.

What if we started from scratch with a non hybrid.

What would we include in the design?

How big of and engine?

super small bore V8? V12?

Long stroke?

Miller cycle Atkinson cycle?

Something new?


CV trans?

9 speed auto?
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With some of the old tech high mileage vehicles here getting 70+ mpg, getting an extra 30 ought to be worth an extra million dollars or so. Who wants to help assemble a race team in Washington state? Imagne what we'll learn if we just give it an honest try. Who is interested?
Pizza, beer, ideas, and an Insight. Hmmm

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