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Old 03-24-2007, 09:14 AM   #1
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How many people use it here. I think im gonna start because of the reduced emissions and considering where i live it jus makes sense. Idk if this is 100% true or not but i read that just 10% blend of ethanol it cust emissions 20-30%. I know that my fe will take a little hit but i think it might be worth the emissions cut. Anyone feel the same?
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mile per polution wise, they pollute the same.
ethanol is not the solution to our ecological problems, just a solution to our economical problems.
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Old 03-24-2007, 10:00 AM   #3
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My choice would be no ethanol, my vehicles get better mpg on straight gas.
Better mpg = less pollution. Thats the way I look at it anyway.
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I run a mixure of E15 with no appreciable decrease in FE just for that reason. The links below will give you more info but there is not much effects on small displacement engines. And with E10AK which is made with the specially denatured ethanol all got better milegage. A common number is a decrease of 1-2% which for me is .8 gallons, although that did not show up when I tested, but I figured it was worth it even if it did. Also is a thread where I did my E15 test runs. YMMV


http://www.ethanol.org/documents/ACE...onomyStudy.pdf

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roads/envi...stingmainr3843

http://www.gassavers.org/showthread.php?t=1863
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is it easy to convert to e85 or is it really exspensive
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Old 03-24-2007, 12:30 PM   #6
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Ontario is E5 mandated as of January this year.

Though it's not clear whether we're all getting it - I've read that some markets which are further from ethanol sources are getting straight gasoline, and the oil co's are using higher blends in other markets to meet the mandate with an average level.

The lofty claims of the program:

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Ontario's 2007 target for ethanol would be equivalent to taking 200,000 vehicles off the road or reducing annual greenhouse gas emissions by about 800,000 metric tons (882 tons). It has the potential to spark 3,000 new jobs and as much as CAN$500 million in new investment in rural Ontario, according to a statement from the premier's office.
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After reading zpiloto"s links I can see ethanol effects each engine a little different.
One thing I noticed, the Taurus (which has the same engine as my car) performed poorly on all the ethanol blends including the denatured stuff. That falls in line with the testing I have done on my car.

I guess the trick is to try different blends and see what works for your car.
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is it easy to convert to e85 or is it really exspensive
As far as I know the e-85 cars have a different fuel pump , stainless fuel lines and different ECU programing.
the changed items are better suited to resist the abrasive/ corrosive properties of the ethanol
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Yes, it would be an annoying conversion, unless you have a bit of money and a lot of time. I think you'd be better off doing what Z does and mixing your own e20.
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E85 and E15 burn cleaner in your engine than gasoline, but require 12 times the energy to get to your tank. The process of creating ethanol from corn is very wasteful and consumes alot of energy for a slight reduction in emissions.
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