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Old 01-27-2008, 08:53 AM   #21
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I guess so long people buy it, they will make it.
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Old 01-27-2008, 09:01 AM   #22
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I guess so long people buy it, they will make it.
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Old 01-27-2008, 10:22 AM   #23
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The fundamental problem that brought SUVs like this about is that Americans in general just want, want, want and never stop wanting more. We can't be bothered to sacrifice for anything or anyone, it's just not "the American way".

This SUV represents gluttony and hubris:
It's bigger, more powerful and more luxurious than most other vehicles; a status symbol. It's high up and wide; it makes you feel safe and powerful at the expense of other peoples visibility and safety. Its got DVD players and satnav/radio; so you never have to feel like you've left your home. Now people don't want to give up the 8,000lb monster luxury vehicle so they can save gas money (oh my god! $3.30 a gallon! now I can't make my multiple credit payments!)and have the petty label of "green", so they wanted a hybrid version of the land yacht and they got it...

Very, very few SUV owners ever venture off road, pull anything or need around 300hp. Most people (around here at least) that do tow things with SUVs tow a couple of ATVs, a small boat or a SeaDoo, where a small pickup or a big station wagon would do. SUVs in general are no longer the "Sport Utility Vehicles" they were in up until the 90s, as a matter of fact, with their chrome, shiny paint and trim, DVD players and fancy leather interiors they're almost totally devoid of "utility". Today's SUVs are more along the lines of SSV, "Status Symbol Vehicles".
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Old 02-24-2008, 10:43 AM   #24
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GM's new Yukon hybrid gets just 20/20 mpg, AND costs $50,000-52,000! That's a $14,000 premium over the base Yukon, more than the cost of a Yaris.

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/gmc/...chlanding.html

Those idiot GM product planners could have used 4.3 liter engines (or even the 2.9 liter fours) and gotten 25 mpg in a full size SUV ..........but they wimped out. It would have been a publicity coup.

And the price is simply incredible. For this kind of money, GM should be offering a Yukon Hybrid Diesel that gets 30!

GM looks idiotic with this offering. I had much higher hopes for this vehicle. It's no wonder Toyota is eating GM's lunch.
That's pretty good for a full size SUV.

A 2.9 Liter Four? Hahahaha. It wouldn't be able to fricking move if you were towing anything.
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Old 02-24-2008, 07:35 PM   #25
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when my wife and i have our 3rd kid we'll have to get an SUV(SSV) 3 car seats wont fit in the back seat of an accord! I'm looking at a Honda Pilot, or maybe a 72 gran torino sedan...
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Sooner or later, stripped out basic trucks are gonna arrive from China, farmers and tradesmen are gonna buy them like hot cakes, GM and Ford are gonna run screaming to Uncle Sam to "do something" ...

Yeah, lot of that crap out there is short on utility any more. I'd like at some point a basic 4x4, with real rather than nominal offroad capability. I'd sooner take my '88 Voyager offroad than some of the pretend SUVs out there now.... I'm probably going to have to put one together from pre 1995ish vehicles... you know, I think the Russians REALLY got it right with this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lada_Niva
Shame they're so rare here and they are no longer imported.
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Sooner or later, stripped out basic trucks are gonna arrive from China, farmers and tradesmen are gonna buy them like hot cakes, GM and Ford are gonna run screaming to Uncle Sam to "do something" ...

Yeah, lot of that crap out there is short on utility any more. I'd like at some point a basic 4x4, with real rather than nominal offroad capability. I'd sooner take my '88 Voyager offroad than some of the pretend SUVs out there now.... I'm probably going to have to put one together from pre 1995ish vehicles... you know, I think the Russians REALLY got it right with this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lada_Niva
Shame they're so rare here and they are no longer imported.
You're right. Trucks used to be trucks. Now they're pimped. And don't get me going on the ridiculous 20" chrome wheels. They last 60 seconds during real off road driving. You can't buy a truck with 235-85R16 10 ply tires anymore.
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when my wife and i have our 3rd kid we'll have to get an SUV(SSV) 3 car seats wont fit in the back seat of an accord! I'm looking at a Honda Pilot, or maybe a 72 gran torino sedan...
Mazda5! 2+2+2 seating and room for car seats in every seat. Plus you get as much hauling space as any other compact wagon.
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