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Old 05-26-2009, 06:27 AM   #11
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yay for bots/spam/ads

Hello

This is not spam folks...its real just google plasma spark or plasma spark ignition and you will see a ton of links to similar devices. I cant believe none of you guys are taking this seriously....here are the latest dyno tests with plasma spark ignition


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cd2Oug1wk0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DejP0q_Ygfo

There are a whole bunch of plasma spark videos on youtube...but the ones i posted on the forum seem to be the only working ready installable prototype.

http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...sma+spark&aq=f

http://www.thetruckersreport.com/tru...n-systems.html
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Old 05-26-2009, 06:58 AM   #12
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Pardon our skepticism. We get a lot of very similar posts that invariably end up being spam for illegitimate businesses. As such, we feel like if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, smells like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably at least something vaguely avian.
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I don't know about others on the forum here but when I see something like this I want to know HOW it works.

Is it a coil that just injects a gross amount of current through a non-resistor plug? (because you should already know that the resistor itself will keep a spark from going bright like that without excessive voltage) Is it an auxiliary gap system running through a normal resistor plug?

They had me going until this page.

Also, their plasma spark gallery is photo shopped.
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Old 05-30-2009, 12:06 PM   #14
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I got all excited about it.......until I realized I would need eight of them.

I tested Pulstars until one failed. They do work and provide smoother running and a bit more snap accelerating.

However, no change in MPG at all.
I suspect the feedback system that sets the mixture interpreted the cleaner exhaust as running lean and simply added gas.
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:14 PM   #15
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I don't know about others on the forum here but when I see something like this I want to know HOW it works.

Is it a coil that just injects a gross amount of current through a non-resistor plug? (because you should already know that the resistor itself will keep a spark from going bright like that without excessive voltage) Is it an auxiliary gap system running through a normal resistor plug?

They had me going until this page.

Also, their plasma spark gallery is photo shopped.
They clearly say non resistor plug on the video...

Guys this plasma ignition stuff is totally new and a whole bunch of people online are working on it.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...sparkplug.html


The spark effect is real judging by the size of the plasma spark on their videos....but if you dont believe me here are other replications of the effect by others...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjBkqNc0GrQ
watch this video (link above) from 1:30 onwards

Here is another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGcqD...e=channel_page


Watch this users videos...
http://www.youtube.com/user/jstadwater007


I dont think all these videos are faked or photoshopped

Just type plasma spark or plasma spark ignition on youtube...there a bunch of similar setups with really bright large plasma balls.

this kind of ignition system was previously available for JEt engines....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmHW65093_o

What is impressive about the Aquapulser.com site is they seem to have got a working model for cars.


And finally with regards to you not taking this seriously because of their research page....

watch this BBC equinox documentary series:

http://www.documentary-film.net/sear...e.php?&ref=195
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Old 06-09-2009, 01:22 PM   #16
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I got all excited about it.......until I realized I would need eight of them.


In this dyno test video they show only unit one installed for a 6 cylinder and a 4 cylinder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Cd2Oug1wk0


Also check out the hookup video for a V8 distributor again only one unit per vehicle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DejP0q_Ygfo


Finally its on the description in their videos that you only need one per vehicle.


Heres another plasma unit installed on a vehicle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pGMOZn42CU

but its not aquapulser...again only one unit per vehicle.
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anyone that has "hho" in their name pretty much has no legitimacy right from the get-go.
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OK, let's assume the magic plasma makes a bigger spark.

This will likely accelerate the flame propagation (otherwise, what's the point??), effectively advancing the ignition timing. Great, now the engine is pinging.

The ECU will promptly retard the ignition lead angle, leaving you right back where you started. (Well, your wallet will be lighter. This should improve mileage a hair!)

The only way these things will help is if your engine has an erratic, inconsistent spark. But in that case, you'd be better off with new plugs, wires, etc....
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Wrong.

If you create a bigger spark and you get a better burn(effectively advancing timing) and then you retard the timing you aren't left where you were before.

If it takes 45 degrees of crank rotation from the time you spark the plug to the time you hit peak cylinder pressure and with a plasma spark ignition setup you only take 40 degrees you've just taken away 5 degrees of crank rotation from every cylinder on every cycle where the burning of the air and fuel is trying to turn the engine backwards. You're getting rid of a little bit of waste.
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Which goes back to my observation, previously made, that the performance improves a bit but there is no change in gas mileage.
To get full benefit of the more complete combustion, we will need to re-program the computer. Don't you think?
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