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Old 06-30-2008, 04:45 PM   #111
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In my '97 Escort Wagon I often start a coast in gear and then if I see the hill is steep enough to maintain a decent speed shift to neutral both with engine on and often see the scan gauge jump as much as 100+ mpg when I shift to neutral.
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:01 AM   #112
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I thinks it's the other way; not set for hybrid gives zero mpg and set on hybrid gives 9999mpg. If an ICE car is not set for hybrid the ScanGauge does not credit the miles while coasting with engine off ( thought the ignition switch still needs to be in the on position; just switch it off long enough to kill the engine and switch back on without bumping the starter.
Thanks for the Scangauge tip. I need to set to Hybrid mode. My engine off coasts are currently not be analyzed. The Scangauge shuts off after 5 second or so. I have been using only engine on coasts in neutral or DFCO for this reason with the Yaris.
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:18 AM   #113
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How long until someone is coasting around with their engine off and no power brakes and it ends in a tragedy.
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:41 AM   #114
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How long until someone is coasting around with their engine off and no power brakes and it ends in a tragedy.
That's partly why I don't shut the engine off. I'm coasting in a 6,000 lb vehicle. I need power brakes and steering.

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Old 07-02-2008, 10:29 AM   #115
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How long until someone is coasting around with their engine off and no power brakes and it ends in a tragedy.
Same old FUD. EOC isn't right for everyone. My power brakes work fine for 3 or 4 heavy applications after I shut off the engine. Also, when I EOC, I'm always ready to bump-start and I do so any time I see any possibility that I might need to slow (since I don't want to restart with the key).

Anyway, my legs are plenty strong to stop the car reasonably after the power brakes run out of boost. I'm a 220 pound ex-bicyclist in a 3000 pound car, not a 130 pound twig in a 5000 pound SUV...

I mainly practice EOC on roads like this:
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Old 07-02-2008, 10:50 AM   #116
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Don't know but it always gives a readout of actual MPG. Anyway it is nice to be coasting down hill in neutral and see you are getting 200-350 MPG.
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Old 07-02-2008, 11:07 AM   #117
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Same old FUD. EOC isn't right for everyone. My power brakes work fine for 3 or 4 heavy applications after I shut off the engine. Also, when I EOC, I'm always ready to bump-start and I do so any time I see any possibility that I might need to slow (since I don't want to restart with the key).

Anyway, my legs are plenty strong to stop the car reasonably after the power brakes run out of boost.
I agree with this 100%. I'm also an ex bike racer who still rides at least 4 times per week, I have no problem locking up all 4 tires even after the brake booster has lost all vacuum. I've tried it under controlled conditions so I'd know what I'm capable of in an emergency. This isn't for everyone, only those who are willing and capable of giving 100% attention.

With all the latest distractions inside vehicles, (Nav systems, radio, CD, MP3, DVD, carPC, cell phone, etc.) it's a wonder we aren't smashing into each other more often.
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Old 07-02-2008, 12:38 PM   #118
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Anyway, my legs are plenty strong to stop the car reasonably after the power brakes run out of boost. I'm a 220 pound ex-bicyclist in a 3000 pound car, not a 130 pound twig in a 5000 pound SUV...[/img]
It depends on how much you can leg press and most people can press a fair amount but not all brakes are vacuum assisted, my brakes us a simple hydraulic master cylinder which goes into a ABS pump, even with the engine off I have full braking power, I justdon't have ABS as its an electrical pump.

The only problem is I have power steering which is really heavy without the pump.

I just installed a fuel cut of switch as a theft prevention measure and so I can coast and kill the engine and start it with the flick of a switch, tuning my key will wear out my barrel or brake my key one day!
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Old 07-02-2008, 02:51 PM   #119
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It depends on how much you can leg press and most people can press a fair amount but not all brakes are vacuum assisted, my brakes us a simple hydraulic master cylinder which goes into a ABS pump, even with the engine off I have full braking power, I justdon't have ABS as its an electrical pump.
Why would electrical ABS not work? Do you not turn the key back to "On"? That is a very important part of EOC, so all your electrical stuff will work.

My power steering is electric, common on lots of cars in the past few years.
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Old 07-02-2008, 03:16 PM   #120
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been driving ~35 miles EOC per tank. if i can get that up to 40, that's over 1k miles over the course of a year.

that is significant, especially if fuel prices continue to rise.
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