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Old 09-18-2008, 12:36 PM   #1
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Green Gasoline

"This is the same fuel we're currently using, just from a different source," says Dumesic. "It's not something that burns like it ? it is it."

http://www.physorg.com/news140967320.html

Sounds good, but just what is the catalyst?
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Old 09-18-2008, 02:07 PM   #2
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i'd prefer sugar as automotive fuel since it's so damaging to the human body. can it be made cleanly and efficiently tho?
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Old 09-19-2008, 07:18 AM   #3
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It sounds pretty efficient if it retains 95% of the energy and loses no catalyst to the process.

Oil is just old plants and dinosaurs anyway, so maybe they just found a way to speed up the decomposition process. The big question is really is it more costly that pulling it out of the ground. If it's cheaper then OPEC will have to drop their price to be competitve. Either way we'll be using OPEC for decades I'm sure.
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After giving this some thought, my fear is that if growing "trash" crops for gasoline becomes profitable enough farmers would plant that rather than food crops.

There is also a good chance that it would require more water and fertilizer (which comes from petroleum).

Have another bite of Soylent Green.
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Well it sounds like they're basically making a green 'crude oil', they said it's similar in make up to oil out of the ground and can be refined to all the various petroleum products. So it should be able to fertalize itself eventually.

Nah, we should just chop down the rainforest so we can grow the trash crops for this!
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Given the btu's, it sounds like butanol.
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After giving this some thought, my fear is that if growing "trash" crops for gasoline becomes profitable enough farmers would plant that rather than food crops.

There is also a good chance that it would require more water and fertilizer (which comes from petroleum).

Have another bite of Soylent Green.
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http://www.diabetes.org/weightloss-a...overweight.jsp

"Approximately 64% of American adults are overweight or obese, due mostly to overeating and lack of exercise. There are many health risks associated with being overweight. Healthly eating and regular physical activity can make a big difference in your life and your health."

Our backup petroleum reserve?

Eventually ANY scrap of biomatter will become fairly valuable. Soils will suffer even more. As in sub saharan Africa?

Around here I see quite a few of the outdoor type wood furnaces and notice a lot more fence row cleanups going on for the wood?


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After giving this some thought, my fear is that if growing "trash" crops for gasoline becomes profitable enough farmers would plant that rather than food crops.

There is also a good chance that it would require more water and fertilizer (which comes from petroleum).

Have another bite of Soylent Green.
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Hmmm, obesity as a backup reserve. Imagine, doctors paying people to suck excess fat out, then selling the fat as biomass for fuel production.

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"Approximately 64% of American adults are overweight or obese, due mostly to overeating and lack of exercise. There are many health risks associated with being overweight. Healthly eating and regular physical activity can make a big difference in your life and your health."
forgot how much of a research guru you are. what is not known is that sugar steals protein from the body. over many years, efficient calorie-burning muscle is lost, compounding the problem in a sedintary lifestyle.

so, bring it on as fuel!

but if not, hey it's still better than artificial sweeteners for consumption.
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