So explain how H injection doesn't work again?

[R.I.D.E.]

Road Warrior, I enjoy reading your posts and appreciate your knowledge which is obvious to me, and far superior to my own in certain specific fields.

I actually have a specific design for my engine patent that is applicable to a HHO fuel supply. You do not need much compression to ignite hydrogen and oxygen as they come out of a generator.

My focus has been more on the mechanical causes of inefficiency in internal combustion engines, and my design addresses most of the causes of energy losses that are inherent in reciprocating IC engines. My design eliminates the reciprocation of every part in current engines in vehicles worldwide.

You say that is not possible, based on your understanding of engines. I say give me two hours of your time and I will show you it's not only possible, is absolutely practical.

Can an engine magically transform itself into a flywheel storing it's own rotating mass as energy available for application.

Yes

Can you build an engine that has no valve train, no cooling system, no induction system, no necessity to restrict airflow to control power, no connecting rods.

Yes

The same engine can also serve as capacitive storage for regeneration forces when deceleration is necessary.

Yes

Also never idles.

Yes

In another configuration the same basic design serves as an infinitely variable transmission, one in each wheel, that weigh less than the brake components you no longer need, and can regenerate 90% of your deceleration forces.

Yes

In fact after 5 years of banging on doors, thousands of emails, personal trips halfway across the country. 6 trips to my US Senators office, letters to practically every govt agency you can name, I finally got one person to listen objectively.

This fall Virginia Tech will build a prototype of my design, CAD everything, and build a testable example that can give us real efficiency calculations, that if they approach 90%, will change the planet in the next 50-100 years.

If the efficiency reaches the point that I believe it will, it could be one of the most important designs ever concieved on this planet.

Do you believe me?

By Christmas this year it will not matter whether you believe me or not. It will either be the powertrain of every vehicle on the planet within 20 years, or it will be the first design of an evolution of such a powertrain.

Will I ever see a dime from my original idea?

Probably not.

Could it could cost me my life.

Possibly.

You see I am kind of old fashioned in my beliefs, one of those gullible old dummies that thinks each person on this planet has a responsibility to leave it in better shape than he found it.

Every bit of knowledge about increasing the efficiency in vehicles that I have learned over a lifetime is incorporated into this design.

I have stated before when the vehicle is properly designed, it will not be possible to improve its mileage by hypermiling, because the vehicle will hypermile itself.

Any person with no knowledge whatsoever can jump into this vehicle start it up and go, without any skills whatsoever and get fabulous mileage compared to what is available today. it doesn't matter whether its a 2000 pound car or a 7500 pound SUV it will still get almost twice the current mileage with power to handle every concievable situation.

Believe me?

If you don't I can certainly understand it. It's the holy grail of automotive design. Why would I be so egotistical to think that I have the solution?

I like to think of it as bone headed determination, and a never say quit attitude. Kind of like the guy who uses his face to break your fists in a fight.

regards
gary

[GasSavers_RoadWarrior]

Originally Posted by R.I.D.E.

My focus has been more on the mechanical causes of inefficiency in internal combustion engines, and my design addresses most of the causes of energy losses that are inherent in reciprocating IC engines. My design eliminates the reciprocation of every part in current engines in vehicles worldwide.

You say that is not possible, based on your understanding of engines. I say give me two hours of your time and I will show you it's not only possible, is absolutely practical....

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I like to think of it as bone headed determination, and a never say quit attitude. Kind of like the guy who uses his face to break your fists in a fight.

Yes, I understand some of the mechanical compromises of reciprocating engines, and know that flywheels are one of the most compact storage devices known to man (Where the heck did that Garrett research project of the 70s end up???) So I'm quite sure you probably "have something" with that. University based H2 experimenters (Of the hydrogen is the fuel of the future, just don't ask where it comes from camp) have hit a brick wall with conventional arrangements at around 50% overall efficiency, when the thermodynamics say there's quite a chunk more to be gotten, so obviously any kind of hydrogen and conventional motor is not the ultimate answer, it's still wasteful. If you wanna do something about your own FE right now though, you're not gonna swap out your whole drivetrain.

Anyway, yes, any design that gets the most possible use out of the energy that pushes the pistons is gonna improve efficiency drastically also, I admire your sticking to your guns on that idea.

[theclencher]

Surely Virginia Tech has built something by now???

[trollbait]

There was some discussion about Virginia Tech's results about a month back. Don't have a link handy

[GasSavers_Scott]

As soon as I have the time I'll put an HHO jug on my Focus. The math Im working with is that a cell using 15 to 40 amps will produce 2 litres of HHO per minutes. From what I got off Youtube, they have a guy who ran a 93 Ford Escort 1.9 litre and got 50 mpg highway with the HHO.

I know I have mentioned this before, there is a video on the web of a camera in the cylinder of a Ford Taurus V6, even with fuel injection, fuel is in huge droplets and spins around, the spark does not make a perfect flame kernal, filling the cylinder in a text book fashion. Insted the turbulent explosion burns areas of the cylinder and some areas dont light at all. You can still see the suspended droplets blowing out the exhaust.

What I feel happens is that the HHO surrounds the fuel and aids combustion, it is a gas and not an atomized liquid. The increased fuel burning lets the O2 sensor read cold and leans the mixture increasing MPG. I understand it works well on diesels, also amonia somehow aids diesel efficiency.

Once you go over 2.0 litres, then the HHO cell has to get larger, now we have to have twice the amperage. I have seen cells as large as fish tanks in some pickups. One thing I think can help the amperage is a PWM or Pulse Wave Modulator. By sending a frequency through the electrolyte, it makes the same amount of HHO with less amps.

The basic math of HHO sepparation is that Hydrogen is a positivly charged atom and Oxygen is negative. Place water and electrolyte in a field and atoms sepparate producing the HHO gas.

Mythbusters really let me down by blowing hydrogen gas down the carb of an old V8, it back fired and Mythbusters called Hydrogen dangerous. They then built a beautiful HHO cell and filled it with water and no electrolyte, hooked a car battery to it and the cell did nothing, they then called the myth busted. Well these lab guys didn't do the experiment right.

On the other hand Mythbusters did a great test on vegetable oil diesels, they took an old Mercedes 300D drove it and got 34 MPG, they then replaced the fuel with Wesson oil and the car got 29 MPG. They proved a diesel can run on vegetable oil and not petrolium based diesel. In this instance, Mythbusters got it right.

Im really weighed down with work now, no garage and a street I have to work on the car car in 90 degree heat and high humidity. As soon as fall gets around I have a place under the hood I can stick an HHO jug.

Keep tossing the HHO potato around and someone will make a basket.

[theholycow]

Originally Posted by Scott

From what I got off Youtube, they have a guy who ran a 93 Ford Escort 1.9 litre and got 50 mpg highway with the HHO.

We've got a guy (Ford Man) who gets 40-50mpg from a 1988 Escort and a 1997 Escort...without HHO.

1997 Escort, lifetime average 44.34, including a recent 49.85mpg tank:
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/view/1711
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/viewgaslog/1711

1988 Escort, almost 500,000 miles on it, lifetime average 43.79, had one 49.32mpg tank:
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/view/1664
http://www.gassavers.org/garage/viewgaslog/1664

[dieselbenz]

Originally Posted by Scott

One thing I think can help the amperage is a PWM or Pulse Wave Modulator

LOL


But on a serious note, H2 injection is BS designed to separate suckers from their money. Some people will believe anything.

[theclencher]

Is that anything like the Uranium PU-36 Explosive Space Modulator?

[GasSavers_BEEF]

you know PWMs (pulse WIDTH modulators) do have a purpose. they are used in industrial applications for motor controls that adjust motor speeds. they simulate sine waves. they can also be used to adjust voltages in a voltage regulator and chop up the DC in a DC/DC converter so that the output is variable.

it seems that all the technology that makes HHO work (or not) has been borrowed from so many different places and the common man doesn't really understand what the use of these devices are.

good luck (or whatever)

[theholycow]

Pulse width modulation is found in modern cars, a lot. For example, modern locking torque converters use PWM to lock gradually instead of just being on or off.