Honda Accord Hybrid Dies - Fuelly Forums

Click here to see important news regarding the aCar App

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 06-05-2007, 10:04 AM   #1
Supporting Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 318
Country: United States
Honda Accord Hybrid Dies

http://www.cnn.com/2007/AUTOS/06/05/...rid/index.html
__________________

budomove is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2007, 10:19 AM   #2
Registered Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 7
Country: United States
Quote:
Originally Posted by budomove View Post
I have always been under the assumption that people buy hybrids in order to get better mpg.


Accord Hybrid 28 / 35 $31,090
Accord (Gas) 26 / 34 $18,625

Difference
-2 / -1
Equal
-$12,465

Now it no doubt has better power but 35 mpg is pretty weak for a 12.5k price difference.
__________________

Belloc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2007, 11:19 AM   #3
Registered Member
 
zpiloto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,225
Country: United States
Quote:
Originally Posted by Belloc View Post
I have always been under the assumption that people buy hybrids in order to get better mpg.


Accord Hybrid 28 / 35 $31,090
Accord (Gas) 26 / 34 $18,625

Difference
-2 / -1
Equal
-$12,465

Now it no doubt has better power but 35 mpg is pretty weak for a 12.5k price difference.

Your right but those numbers are based on the new EPA numbers. The new EPA numbers are just calculations and not on tested data and the hybrids really took it on the chin when they calulated the numbers for them.

I went to 2005 to see if they had the old numbers on the EPA website but everything is now set to the new EPA values.

Sad to see technology die.
zpiloto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2007, 11:29 AM   #4
Supporting Member
 
cfg83's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,779
Country: United States
Hello -

Honda blew this one by marketing/designing it as a "performance" hybrid. Six cylinders!?!?!?!?!

CarloSW2
__________________
Old School SW2 EPA ... New School Civic EPA :

What's your EPA MPG? https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/calculatorSelectYear.jsp
cfg83 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2007, 11:40 AM   #5
Registered Member
 
ma4t's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 175
Country: United States
Sad. I always like Honda over Toyota for their styling and overall driving experience. Toyotas are just boring cars to me.

Anyway, I passed a Camry Hybrid this morning. It looked really nice. The new body style is so much better.

My only problem with hybrids is the battery. How long do they last, for example? Are all these big batteries going to fill up landfills? Or are people going to get tired of paying for the research and being guinnea pigs for auto companies, and just play the wait and see game?

M
__________________
ma4t is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2007, 11:52 AM   #6
Registered Member
 
omgwtfbyobbq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,516
Country: United States
Battery pack is warrantied for 100k or 150k miles, depending on where you live. It's NiMH and commands a fairly high price, ~$1000, from j-yards, and can net you a few hundred, including shipping, from Toyota. By the time it dies, there will likely be plenty of boutique installers specializing in plug-in conversions. Imo, the ground work is happening now, so by the time these packs start dying in significant numbers, in a decade or so, there'll be tons of smaller companies popping up to make money by installer larger capacity packs with plug-in capabilities. Imo, of course...
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by FormulaTwo
I think if i could get that type of FE i would have no problem driving a dildo shaped car.
omgwtfbyobbq is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2007, 12:11 PM   #7
Registered Member
 
zpiloto's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,225
Country: United States
Quote:
Originally Posted by omgwtfbyobbq View Post
Battery pack is warrantied for 100k or 150k miles, depending on where you live. It's NiMH and commands a fairly high price, ~$1000, from j-yards, and can net you a few hundred, including shipping, from Toyota. By the time it dies, there will likely be plenty of boutique installers specializing in plug-in conversions. Imo, the ground work is happening now, so by the time these packs start dying in significant numbers, in a decade or so, there'll be tons of smaller companies popping up to make money by installer larger capacity packs with plug-in capabilities. Imo, of course...
I agree.
Here's one for $5,000 if you can't do it yourself. I think these retrofits started out at 10K then another company came along and it was 9k and now 5K. By the time newer Prius's(sp) reach 150k they will have some pretty good alternatives to choose from
zpiloto is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2007, 12:33 PM   #8
Registered Member
 
omgwtfbyobbq's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 1,516
Country: United States
Man that's expensive, the pack would need to last for 3,000 cycles to pay itself off. Of course, if the all electric range they mention is using Toyota's dis/charging methods, then it could very well last 3,000 cycles. I dunno, to double the Prius' pack is only a grand or two in battery costs, which is definitely worthwhile if we could DIY.... And in a decade, we'll have batteries that'll blow everything currently offered out of the water, even if they are just the large format NiMH's in the RAV-4 EV and EV-1 we had almost a decade ago. 1000+ cycles to 100% dod, or something crazy. Patent runs out in 2015.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by FormulaTwo
I think if i could get that type of FE i would have no problem driving a dildo shaped car.
omgwtfbyobbq is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2007, 12:52 PM   #9
FE nut
 
diamondlarry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,020
Country: United States
I don't have a link yet but, I heard of Prius' being used as taxi's in New York city that have ~250K miles and haven't needed a battery replcement yet. I think that it has a lot to do with how the cars are driven. I have just under 1000 miles on mine and the battery has only went to 2 bars 3 different times. I usually try to stay at 3-5 bars and it sometimes gets to 6 bars. At last check, I'm at 568.0 miles with 73.4 mpg showing on the screen.
__________________
Horsepower is how hard you hit the wall, torque is how much of the wall you take with you.

2007 Prius,



Team Slow Burn
diamondlarry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-05-2007, 01:05 PM   #10
...
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 425
Country: United States
Quote:
Originally Posted by zpiloto View Post
I went to 2005 to see if they had the old numbers on the EPA website but everything is now set to the new EPA values.

Sad to see technology die.
If you click the "compare to official window sticker" icon it lists both old and new EPA #'s 28/35/31 vs 24/32/27 for the 07 Accord Hybrid .

I agree about the tech. death - I believe that Honda could've found a way to make the cost difference a more viable choice .
__________________

MnFocus is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2012 cars 306maxi Fuelly Web Support and Community News 3 04-29-2011 04:23 AM
Keep track of gallons burned, not MPG. jkp1187 Fuelly Web Support and Community News 2 05-10-2009 12:10 PM
Vehicle Notes pb Fuelly Web Support and Community News 4 10-08-2008 11:38 AM
New to GS - proudly got 38mpg in my 90 corolla today! aelfwyne Introduce Yourself - New member Welcome 9 09-25-2006 11:47 AM
Another Ethos FR email Matt Timion General Fuel Topics 4 07-08-2006 05:00 PM

» Fuelly iOS Apps
No Threads to Display.
Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:28 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.