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Old 12-22-2010, 06:15 PM   #11
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Underpowered, overweight and oversized.. not well suited for busy congested traffic pattern in big Chinese cities at all..
What do you need powerful and lightweight for in congested traffic? It's got a side car, it's not like you can lane split. That bike is more about style than power anyway. And they're cheep restored, $3500-4500 fully restored.
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Old 12-22-2010, 10:03 PM   #12
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What make is that bike, and approximately how old is it?
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Old 12-22-2010, 11:34 PM   #13
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What make is that bike, and approximately how old is it?
It's a Chinese manufacturer, Chang Jiang. Most surviving are from the late 60's. It's a copy of a Soviet bike which was a copy of a 1938 BMW bike. Yes a copy of a copy.

But they are quite simple bikes and are easy to maintain and work on, they're also plentiful and cheep.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang_Jiang_(motorcycle)
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I thought it looked like a URAL which is a Russian copy of a pre-WWII BMW bike. According to the wiki, the displacement is about 750cc, which shouldn't be too underpowered.
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But they are quite simple bikes and are easy to maintain and work on, they're also plentiful and cheep.......
Likelyhood of frequent maintenance required... very frequent.

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I thought it looked like a URAL which is a Russian copy of a pre-WWII BMW bike. According to the wiki, the displacement is about 750cc, which shouldn't be too underpowered.
Compared to my 250cc Ninja (34 hp/340 lb.) it is under powered and overweight.
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Yeah, URAL's don't go over 55/60 MPH with the sidecar attached, but I'd imagine for mostly urban riding, where its rare to go over 40 MPH it shouldn't be too bad.
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Yeah, URAL's don't go over 55/60 MPH with the sidecar attached, but I'd imagine for mostly urban riding, where its rare to go over 40 MPH it shouldn't be too bad.
No so good in busy, congested traffic in China though:

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Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or are both those cars VW's?
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No so good in busy, congested traffic in China though:
I live in that traffic, believe me they are plenty fast. Traffic in the city doesn't ever get above 40mph. And if I remember correctly it is illegal to ride ANY motorcycle on the downtown highways, which are also congested and rarely go above 60mph. The issue with these bikes is you can't lane split as it has a side car.

I would actually prefer something like a 250cc ninja to zip in and out of traffic, but the plates are tough to come by for those. They make an exception for these historic bikes though.
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Are my eyes playing tricks on me, or are both those cars VW's?
Yes the one in the front is a Passat and the other behind it is a Santana. I believe the Santana is the first generation Passat, they just still produce them here. About 85% of the cabs are the Santanas. About 5% the newer Passat, 5% some newer VW minivan and the last 5% are some Hyundai sedan.

Whats interesting to me is seeing all the Chinese made BMW's running around. The import tax on cars is 100+% making most people buy the Chinese made ones over German made.
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